Novuvsita Timeline of Major Events (But for now I need more information)

You guys will have to help me design weaponry, it seems. I also need help invisioning the battle scenes for the novels.

List of future battles:

-Iga vs. Valiero at their border
-Iga vs. humans in the New Carribean Sea
-Iga attack on Valiero capitol
-Jay ambush on humans
-Great sea battle - Iga vs. Aari and Humans
-Iga attack on Svia capitol
-Iga attack on Darwin
-The battle of the caves - Iga vs. Everyone else besides Aari and Jay
-Final battle at Iga capitol

Final battle at Iga capital... does that mean we kill them?

I'm not sure about working on the story line but I can give insight on strategics.

Major notes, if the Iga'Vi are very large and industrialized, they'll have cores of Professional soldiers well armed with the bulks of their armies made up of levies from conquered lands which'll probably be much more poorly armed. They'll also probably have problems with defections, moral and cultural disputes.

I still say that humans trump anything since they'll have super weapons. (Yes they will because we'll never truly become a single completely unified species. and a few (super)weapons will probably always be stocked because who knows when you'll need them.) I'd expect humans to be passive bystanders.

But I digress,

Jay'Vi will probably have similar armies though much smaller and more adapted to hit and runs since I suppose they have a more Saracen style army. They may or may not have problems with cultures and likely are more cavalry based.

Aari'Vi will most likely have combinations of peasants, levies and well armed chiefs/nobles/rich.

Svia'Vi will probably be relatively unorganized and really will be like Native Americans were in fighting stlye: Small raiding parties picking off small groups and then retreating to friendly territory in a "There's nothing to conquer because there aren't any cities" warfare.

Oijah'Vi would be, eh: Personally I think they should be the same sort of script as the Svia'Vi since I find it unlikely to have Napoleonic and culturless, well, cultures occuring at the same time on such a well connected planet, and if they have no culture how can they be a clan? It's an oxymoron.Valiero'Vi would be pretty much the same as the Aari'Vi though perhaps more Gaulic in nature.

When I think of the Valiero'vi I think of the Mongol empire. The Oijah'vi aren't very a clan, I think, but just a generic term for the survives of the old Oijah'vi clan which was forced to abandon its civilization and retreat to underground cave systems after a war with the Iga'vi.

I do believe one of the "Cultureless" are what remains of a mighty nation. The Oijah* I do believe. It would be like the remnants of Rome, you still have a common language, and a "culture" by most descriptions, but they would only be united by the most powerful person in a given area. Much like the Dark ages, but even less technology, more or less Equivalent to the nomadic Mongols, or Plains Native Americans. Now, understanding that this is a few hundred years later it may be a little more or less "governed" than I am guessing. Being Humans [lolz Pun] we would honorarily call them a Clan. They would have a currency for the most part if they used the crystals as Jewelry. In a vast cave system they would probably have a government of sorts, probably near the bottom of the cave system [unless I am mistaken and it is a Lava-tube, then it would be in the most open, yet safe place one could find.] They don't seem to be Solitary so they will gather eventually, only once they begin to trust each other and start to rely on each other, will an actual "Clan" form.

The guerrilla fighting style sounds right, Hit and run... Gotta love that stuff.

Epic Book so far Dudeman, Temporal, whatever other username is residing in your Cranial cavity.

[OMG] While I was typing this, Xeno, mentioned the Mongols!!!!! Wait why am I Praising...

The sounds good, Balufire.

Off-topic, but does anybody have some good sources of info about history? My school's history course is quite lacking.

K... Not so sure on the precious stone currency, I'd expect gold or some metal to be the currency since to make a precious stone precious takes a lot of work and the easy finds are always too rare to make them good currency. Even if you can mine them we rarely use them as currency in our history. (As coins, not trading)

Don't know on the History thing, you can find a bunch of fun (and disillusioning) facts of Cracked.com but I use wikipedia and computer games to fill in the lack of anything but the history of Virginia (Do we really need to go 1st - 6th grade learning about one state and a single day on the history of Mali? I mean really? Mali?)

But Total war franchise computer games make for excellent numbers of different things to look up and find out if there really was a Crimean Khanate or Barbary Lion.

I suggest you watch the History channel... that's pretty much all the run...

Virginia... Mali... Don't know much about those places... Actually, other than where they are and various geographical locations I know nothing... Of course that is almost all I know about many locations...

Well, humans only like gold because it is heavy, and it is shiny. Seriously, both gold and silver are worth almost nothing if not for there shininess... I feel bad for the people who had ADHD (remember I am talking about the Kings and Queens of really ancient times) and walked by I shiny rock... OoH SHINY!!! But something that has a use would be far more valuable than a shiny rock... For instance;
If you are stuck, or live, in a cave, which would you pick if you could choose between three things: A glowing crystal, A bunch of gold, or a warm blanket... Hard choice right?

I'm a good source of history. *brag*

Xeno wrote:

The Xen'vi do have some sort of firearm, although I don't believe they use gunpowder, just something similar. The Iga’vi seem to be within their industrial revolution, 18th century Great Britan kind of thing. They have colonies, and their empire stretches across parts of 3 continents.

The Aari’vi seem semi-medieval. They have currancy, but lack laws and a real political system.

The Svia’vi are primitive tribesmen.

The Jay’vi are like people from the middle east. They invented firearms first, so they are somewhat advanced.

The Oijah’vi are primitive. Really primitive. No culture or anything.

TheValiero’vi are almost medieval, i guess.I'm probably wrong about some of these things. Anyway, the story takes place in 2237AD, life on Novusvita was discovered a decade or so earlier. The Darwin colony was up and running by December of some year.

EDIT: They discovered life on Novusvita in 2217, and Darwin was up and running by 2229

If we're thinking industrialistic Europe with the Iga'vi, the closest it got to unification was Napoleon and that lasted a grand total of under 15 years. There might be something in there about being really unstable.

For the Aari'vi, it seems like being a nomadic sea-dwelling peoplewould involve having once been a centralized government, perhaps a more fortunate remnant of another past civilation, similar to the Oijah-vi.

The Oijah'vi must have some sort of culture. Unless they were uprooted in less than the past ten years or so, a new culture of underground should be developing by now.

The Valiero'vi sound like something similar to the Mali and Songhai empires of post-classical Africa. Based in trade, mostly nomadic? Perhaps a loose, slightly-past-medieval kingdom in their case.

My two cents.

You mean the History Channel that's all about things that aren't history? I get more history from my computer games. A lot more.

You do realize that humans have nearly gone to war over pigs right? And that all intelligent life will hold those same beliefs in "@#$% you" as humans do, right?

II'm assuming that these Xen'Vi have constructed a network of trade out in the alpine forests and tundra they dwell in. (I think living in caves is a little too far fected. Its like saying if England got bored and destroyed civilization with Tea-time nukes we'd all revert to cavemen.) I think they'd simple be reduced to Native American style social structures living in tribes and every once in awhile going around killing each other for food, territory, materials and shiny stuff.

Because everything with an ounce of intelligence really likes shiny things.


And to Geekus, (by the way, I like this "someone else made a post before you, do you want to review it?" thing.) I agree completely on you with the Agi'Vi, I'd expect some sort of Holy Roman Empire sort of state or, here's the other possibility, an alien version of an Napoleonic empire that rapidly expanded and now pretty much everyone hates them for it. Or they could be almost an Ottoman style situation also.

I like your two cents and agree with pretty much everything you said.

Oh, and Balufire ninja'd me, so I'm going to go out on a limb and agree with Lichen that the History Channel is so totally chock-full of history that I can't see it around all the other history.

It went from Hitler to UFO's. Not a great way to market "History".

Tea-time nukes would make you more civilized. Not less so.

Also,
the Oijah'vi may not have even done that do to persecution. They probably would have fled by now. Or they could take on a resemblance to early modern European Jewish cmmunities. They mostly kept to themselves,and except for being blamed for everything that goes catastrophically wrong, they were mostly left alone save for the occasional harassment due to the blaming.

The things is that we always like to blame things on things that have nothing to do with the things.

Exactly. I think that the Jewish community scenario would be most likely. All you would have to do to fix it in the story would be to replace "cave" with "village in the wilderness".

Right.

LichenDragon wrote:

I'm not sure about working on the story line but I can give insight on strategics.

Major notes, if the Iga'Vi are very large and industrialized, they'll have cores of Professional soldiers well armed with the bulks of their armies made up of levies from conquered lands which'll probably be much more poorly armed. They'll also probably have problems with defections, moral and cultural disputes.

I still say that humans trump anything since they'll have super weapons. (Yes they will because we'll never truly become a single completely unified species. and a few (super)weapons will probably always be stocked because who knows when you'll need them.) I'd expect humans to be passive bystanders.

But I digress,

Jay'Vi will probably have similar armies though much smaller and more adapted to hit and runs since I suppose they have a more Saracen style army. They may or may not have problems with cultures and likely are more cavalry based.

Aari'Vi will most likely have combinations of peasants, levies and well armed chiefs/nobles/rich.

Svia'Vi will probably be relatively unorganized and really will be like Native Americans were in fighting stlye: Small raiding parties picking off small groups and then retreating to friendly territory in a "There's nothing to conquer because there aren't any cities" warfare.

Oijah'Vi would be, eh: Personally I think they should be the same sort of script as the Svia'Vi since I find it unlikely to have Napoleonic and culturless, well, cultures occuring at the same time on such a well connected planet, and if they have no culture how can they be a clan? It's an oxymoron.Valiero'Vi would be pretty much the same as the Aari'Vi though perhaps more Gaulic in nature.

Right about Iga. They also have primitive steam-powered war-machiens. However, I like to think of Iga more like Mordor than industrialised Europe. Their capitol is very Morder-esque and reminds me of Vulcan's Forge. Or Hepheastus' Forge. Whatever. (Bara'dur, their island capitol, is a rift volcano. It's also completely covered by the least enviromentally friendly city ever.)

There are no (human) super-weapons on Novusvita. Let's just say our chances aren't good if we don't expect the attack.

The Jay are pretty much what you said.

Not quite so with the Aari. They have quite an impressive (and huge) naval force (perhaps it's becaue they live on the sea?).

You're also pretty much right with Svia. They also have the means of using wildlife as weaponry (much knowlage of the life in the jungles the inhabit). They have multiple mounts, primitive bioweapons and stuff.

Oijah has no military force. They're basically just a mini-nation hiding in cave-cities. They want absolutely nothing to do with the outside world. Also, they were never a seperate civilisation. They were once part of Iga before they went all industrial and conquery and *coughcommunistcough*. They were part of a huge rebellion in Iga that created a huge civil war. Suckishly, Iga mannaged to kill and/or drive out the rebels. Oijah (which means "The Forgotten") was a large exodus of these rebels who fled from Iga to avoid death. They settled in the mountains and caves of Cyro'bar and formed their own secret "civilisation". Balu is fairly correct with this. Except for the currency - they trade with one another. And the crystals are actualy luminescent minerallians that reside within the caves, so the "jewelery" doesn't need to be bough, just "picked" off the cave walls at places.

Valiero is highly advanced colture-wise. I imagine them as almost the "Gondor" of Novusvita. They are excelent masons capable of creating incredible stone works and buildings and have a liking of horse-like stuff and thus have a cavalry. I guess the could have smelting plants and small matal-works factories, but nothing in comparison with Iga. I think they could be Roman-esque, perhaps.




@Balu: Thanks.



@Lichen: Trust me, you haven't seen these caves (and if you had to hide from the world and the closest thing was an enormous cave system of the most awesome quality, wouldn't you go there? I mean, because of luminescent Minerallians, much of the caves aren't in darkness. There are also entire cave eco-systems here. Think underground forrests.

AND OUJAH ARE EXILES. NOT A DESTROYED CIVILISATION.



*Sigh*

And I'm not changing their location. Much of the novel's storyline is based around them, especially in the last two books.

And they don't live like cavemen. You haven't seen these caves.

Your other description of the Oijah'vi confused me then. I'm sorry for spreading lies.

Same here. Oops.

So I was basically correct. The Valiero are more or less the equivalents of Ghana, Mali, and Songhai.

It just seems unrealistic that we have so many different levels of civilization. The industrialized Mordor people make sense along with the nomads and cavedwellers, but not with the classical Valiero civilization, unless the Iga have been interfered with on a planetary scale to be more advanced.

Iga's speady rise is due to a want to be better than everything else. Also, the other clans just don't have the resaurses or knowlage to become that advanced. Jay and Valiero come close in some ways. Valiero is still the most advanced colturaly.

What am I being thanked for? I was merely trying to clarify any errors in my imagination.

Ok, so they would use the standard currency (what ever it may be) of Novusvita...

Wait isn't this thread about the Timeline...

Eh, doesn't matter too much, since we have about 5 posters here it doesn't really matter much how we post, as long as we are intellectual and gaining in intellect. (Or are just entertained.)

So, the Oijah'Vi are going to be pretty much at best a really pissed off rabble if brought to arms, but are really going to be a population of people living apart from much of the rest of the world and are going to spend most of their time farming mountain slopes and living like peaceful versions of Incas.

The Jay'Vi and Valiero'Vi will be the main contenders against the Iga'Vi then.

Svia'Vi, eh, will probably be relatively useless on the march and really probably will only work together to kick the butts of anyone who tries to take their land. Particularly if they like using animals in a Avatar style and looking at their homeranges then they probably can't do much outside the tropics aside making great cannon fodder or skirmishers.

The Aari'Vi are pretty much a Carthage or Venice then, meaning that they're probably very likely to colonize and take islands and small headlands, probably in the interests of money. (Because when you're small your only hope is money)


Pretty much it looks like a large naval conflict that then leads to naval supported land attacks on multiple fronts on the Agi'Vi, much like the Allied works against the French Empire. (Naval Blockade, Invasion through Spain, defense of Sicily, Alliance with Russia, etc.) That's my take on this conflict. On the subject of the capital I think in truth most likely this capital would be off-shore the main origin of their culture. (AKA, say, a Russian Capital on a island off the Russian coast, as opposed to say the French coast.)

I think this is more likely then being in the middle of the ocean. A Venice instead of a Malta I think would be much more likely as a capital. The problem is that a mid ocean island isn't necessarily a high travel point. (By the way, are they using galleys or Galleasses and Man-Of-Wars at this point?) It matters greatly because if they're using Galleasses and Galleys then they couldn't even have a mid-ocean capital, if Man-Of-Wars then they may have the ability to have a central capital though I feel that a land or off shore capital is really more accurate then a tiny mid-ocean volcanic island. (Hawaii isn't the capital of a Pacific empire for a reason.)


But you're wondering when I'll stop typing aren't you?

Well, any second now.

Any second...

I'm done.
Basically because this island sound like Malta, meaning that no major empire could originate from the actual island. More likely the island was colonized and later made the capital of said empire in your particular version.

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More likely the island was colonized and later made the capital of said empire in your particular version.

Correct.

Here's the island:

K, I think a large port city mostly made up of governmental, merchant and slave labor would be most appropriate since the island is obviously quite large, almost like Crete. Probably a number of large fortresses but a comparatively small crack garrison of guardsmen probably in a couple thousand of numbers.

Siege of Malta see this for what an invasion of the island would be like, it would be in mass causalities for any allied invasion and complete naval superiority would be the only hope of stopping mass reinforcements from land. Unless mass rebellion can be sparked in several continents. *Cough*Undeniable Military Facts*Cough*

Not to mention that even then if the number are 10 to 1 the siege could take months if not more then a year.

And where did the Original Agi'Vi originate, which of the three continents?

Mass Mass Repetition...

Sieges always take seemingly forever.

I never thought of the Aari'vi as small, they have sole control of most of the oceans. Nearly all rights in any trade, and could not really even need land colonies (They would need a few, but mainly for ship building materials.), not if they would be ingenious enough to tie ships together and form a floating colony. I bet this would look not only sweet, but would be highly practical, as taking over or much less finding a floating city would be next to impossible. Their ships would be probably be fairly advanced, not as much as the Iga'vi, but from years of trade and being on the sea with these guys they no doubt have replicated most of their weaponry. Their ships, being their only source of food from fishing and whaling (These would be a general human term, probably neither fish nor whales exist here), as well as communication and trade, would be vast, and most land would be dedicated to creating one. The culture would be small, but they would have many many people for the many ships at the leaders control. And because of trade, they would have most of the fruit or vegetables needed, as well as weapons from the Iga'vi (which they would probably not trade to any other empire because of worth.

Now most of that was just guesses if I am wrong in any part tell me. Some of it was suggestions that would better the balance of the civilizations