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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:29 am | |
| *Revival*
I found myself working on the language quite a bit recently (while I was supposed to be editing the book... *scolds self*) and I retract what I said about about how they make sentences. I honestly have very little idea how they speak anymore, but I think I want to go with Adrac's proposal on the first page of this topic.
Basically, there are four parts of the language: -Grammar / sentence structure -Vocabulary / diction -Writing / punctuation -How they actually physically speak
I've basically been working on the above two. I spent a few hours of wednesday translating the good majority of four hundred words to the East Iga'vi ("Omag", in the book) and Valiero'vi dialects and coming up with a sentence structure (ending up using Yoda-speak).
Here are some examples (V = Valiero; I = Iga):
1. "Hello, my name is [insert name here] and I am a human." --> Hello, [here insert name] is my name, human am I. V--> Ey, [lock'a ai'lock halli] o sia halli, tack'borr o si. I--> Ar, [ryuk'a ai'ryuk zholl] au Sû zholl, tugh'bûr au so.
2. "I love you." --> Love you, I do. / (I) love you. V--> Sakki bi si ol. / Sakki bi. I--> Osaka bo so aul. / Osaka bo.
3. "I hate you. You must die." --> Hate you, I do. Die, you must. / (I) hate you. You (must) die. V--> Alki bi si ol. Zaan'ol bi hai. / Alki bi. Bi zaan'ol. I--> Urûk bo so aul. Zaal'aul bo gha. / Urûk bo. Bo zaal'aul.
4. "The Iga'vi are attcking the city of Valdin!" --> (The) city (of) Valdin, (the) Iga'vi are attacking! V--> Irith Valdin Iga'vi o oldan! I--> Ûrath Valdin Iga'vo au ûrdom!
5. "It is the dawn of the time of the Shadow." --> (The) dawn (of the) Shadow-time, it is. V--> Iran'os Shon'elikat syph. I--> Uran'oz Shon'erighat sith.
I haven't taken into acount that the Xen'vi can't create nasal sounds, so any n's, m's or ng's that pop up anywhere with be a sound that we normally never use in speach. To here this sound, pinch your nostrills shut tighly, open your mouth and try to make a nasal sound. You'll end up sounding like an ostrich, but that's the sound I'm talking about. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:46 am | |
| I spent a few amusing minutes trying to make a nasal sound while pinching my nostrils. 'Twas epic.
Sounds really cool. Would be awesome to have an English to Omag dictionary. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:41 pm | |
| Lol. Thanks. ^^ By the way, the "û" sound is like the "oo" sound (eg. in "book"). | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:16 pm | |
| Oh, ok. I was pronouncing it wrong, lol. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:33 am | |
| Hehe.
I'll post the first round of Valiero'vi words later today, methinks, as well as some language rules that I came up with. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:16 am | |
| Cool. I'm looking forward to it. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:16 am | |
| Okay, here's the set of 500 (updated since I first posted this) Valiero'vi words (left = English; right = Xen'vi): - "A" - "Fat":
A ─ [None] About ─ Ejob Above ─ Bada Abyss ─ Gier Across ─ Thaai After ─ Uelar Again ─ Kelar Against ─ Cora Air ─ Swan All ─ Ol Almost ─ Ettah Alone ─ Id'ir Am ─ O Among ─ Zem And ─ Ï Anger ─ Rajic Animal ─ Dioc Antennae ─ Viasïl Any ─ Yila Are ─ O Area ─ Soll Arm ─ Barl Arrow ─ Kei As ─ Who At ─ Iro Attack ─ Oldan Bane ─ Injha Battle ─ Cas'to Be ─ O Beautiful ─ Hira Because ─ Niam Bed ─ Tavol Before ─ Dolar Behind ─ Dida Beneath ─ Jhada Between ─ Hirala Beyond ─ Onta Birch ─ Jhido Birth Place ─ Kia Black ─ Hi'shon Blood ─ Swinn Blossom ─ Helen Blue ─ Hi'hash Bone ─ Doka Book ─ Dro'hári Border (edge) ─ Xarro Bow (weapon) ─ Kei'baki Boy ─ Hich'rim Branch ─ Virro'tural Bread ─ Impalo Breeze ─ Im'sway Bride ─ Yen'di Bridge ─ Labba Bright ─ Son Bucket ─ Hoppa Building ─ Visodd But ─ Tij By ─ Wï Canal ─ Hash'harr Capitol City ─ Dam'irith Car / Carriage ─ Harr'pal Cave ─ Gas'boll Ceiling ─ Bada'darl Celebration ─ Plentir Chaos (randomness) ─ Siaph Child ─ Hichi City ─ Irith / Doh'irith Class (of society) ─ Val'di Cloud ─ Arnor Club (Weapon) ─ Ontak Coast ─ Eldan Cold ─ Hahv'ique'ir Come ─ Yex Commander ─ Inarch Create ─ Va'yill Crooked ─ Waiya Culture ─ Valor Cycle ─ Sollos Dagger ─ Desta Dark ─ Shon'ot'ir Darkness ─ Shon'ot Dart ─ Im'kei Dartgun ─ Im'kei'baki Dawn ─ Iran'oss Day (Day time) ─ Iran Day (Time Period) ─ Can Death ─ Zaan Destiny ─ Brianos Destroy ─ Pelori Die ─ Zaan'ol Direction ─ Dahin Divine ─ Ella'ir Do / does ─ Ol Done ─ Uek Doom ─ Kaj'ton Down ─ Thada Dream ─ Uila Dusk ─ Sholl'oss Dust ─ Castri Dwelling ─ Hollith Earth (Ground) ─ Gas Earth (Human Planet) ─ Tack'borzen Earth (World) ─ Xen East ─ Hish'da Eight ─ Eldi Empire ─ Car'havai Empty ─ Yost Enemy ─ Solick Enough ─ Tuff Even (Despite) ─ Dira Even (Neutral) ─ Ewas Evening ─ Sholl'in Ever ─ Havvar Every ─ Olli Evil ─ Zear Evolution ─ Ossa'vir Excrement ─ Gluck Explosive ─ Ivah'baki Eye ─ Ak Fair ─ Hiro Fall ─ Moll Far ─ Lock Farm ─ Lock'ossar Fat ─ Cot - "Fate" - "Library":
Fate ─ Varash Father ─ Lash'rim Feast ─ Plen'dom Feather ─ Irivi Ferever ─ Havvar'oth Few ─ Im'id / Im'dro Finger ─ Riff Fire ─ Ivah First ─ Iddi'ir Fish ─ Tiroc Fist ─ Abba Five ─ Ehndi Flat ─ Quibb Floor ─ Darl Fly (verb) ─ Sway'haffa Foam ─ Gith Food ─ Dom Food from animals ─ Dioc'dom Food from plants ─ Virro'dom Foot ─ Rook For ─ Ull Forbidden ─ Ceilos Forest ─ Via'soll Forgotten ─ Oiya Forward ─ Uello Four ─ Fiddi Friend ─ Yith'in From ─ Gamm Fruit ─ Rirra Future ─ Sarr Gate ─ Xagith Get ─ Jioph Gift ─ Keen Girl ─ Hish'nol Give ─ Har'keen Gleam ─ Oltar Glorious ─ Endas Go ─ Yorr God ─ Eol Gods ─ Ella Gold ─ Wava Golden ─ Hi'wava Good ─ Yill Grace ─ Yada Grass ─ Gisti Gravel ─ Josto Great ─ Aka Green ─ Hi'virro Green Clouds ─ Virro'nor Grey ─ Hi'sona Group (of objects) ─ Dro Group (of people) ─ Vi'dro Growth ─ Ossar Gun ─ Lock'baki Half ─ Ji Hall ─ Barro Hand ─ Abin Hate ─ Alki Have ─ Halla / Het'keen Haven ─ Live'hollith He (the boy) ─ Ah hich'rim He (the man) ─ Ah rim Head ─ Borr Heart ─ Vash Heat ─ Hahv Heaven ─ Olar Hello ─ Ey Helmet ─ Borr'live Here ─ Lock'a Hiding ─ Livi Hill ─ Parr Hire ─ Quall Hole ─ Boll Hollow ─ Joph Holy ─ Ello Home ─ Si'hollith Hook ─ Toco Hope ─ Harra Horde ─ Dro'zear Horn (Body part) ─ Kiro Horn (Instrument) ─ Rava Horror ─ Sadath Horse ─ Altari House ─ Holli'visodd How ─ Hol'clair Human (Jawhead) ─ Tack'borr Hunt ─ Bata Husband ─ Toh'rim Hut ─ Im'vissod I ─ Si Ice ─ Tivah If ─ Poll In ─ Oir Inn ─ Holli'quall Insight ─ Helen Iron ─ Sona Is ─ O Isle ─ Fin It ─ How It is ─ Syph Jar ─ Harra Jaws ─ Tack Jewel ─ Tol Journey ─ Forn Judge ─ Back'to Juice ─ Swinn Keep ─ Halla / Het'keen King ─ Bior'rim Knight ─ Kira Knowledge ─ Leon Lady ─ Vol'nol Lair ─ Hollith Lake ─ Hash'mirr Lamp ─ Hinn Land ─ Tar Language ─ Faroaith Large ─ Doh Laughter ─ Lioph Leaf ─ Win'tock Leap ─ Hal Learn ─ Har'leon Left ─ Rhoda Let ─ Hiya Letter (Message) ─ Fio'rid Library ─ Leon'visodd - "Lie" - "Send":
Lie ─ Seal Life ─ Havith Light ─ Hinn Limb ─ Turall Line ─ Tique Little ─ Im'di Locate ─ Ai'lock Lonely ─ Vash Lord ─ Vol'rim Lost ─ Ither Love ─ Sakki Low ─ Ja Machine ─ Lual Magic ─ Yer'doll Make ─ Va'yill / Fowai Man ─ Rim Manner ─ Clair Market ─ Shill'lock Master ─ Forroth May ─ Ariv Maybe ─ Uior Me ─ Si Meat (muscle; organs) ─ Yoh'hiss Memory ─ Roha Metal ─ Son Middle ─ Lidda Mighty ─ Vol Mist ─ Ja'arnor Money ─ Shill Month ─ Barta Moon ─ Viera Mortal ─ Zano Mother ─ Lash'nol Mound ─ Im'parr Mountain ─ Doh'parr Mouth ─ Hoth Move ─ Ai'lock Much ─ Doh'di Mud ─ Buoll Must ─ Hai My ─ Sia Name ─ Halli Nation ─ Havai Near ─ Im'lock Neck ─ Ast Never ─ Havvar'ique New ─ Jiro Next ─ Uelar'ir Night ─ Sholl Nine ─ Nadi No ─ Hak North ─ Mani'da Not ─ Hak'ir Now ─ Havv'a Object ─ He Objection ─ Tiss Ocean ─ Aari Of ─ [None] Off ─ Ahak On ─ Atïll One ─ Iddi Only ─ Id'ir Or ─ Á Orange ─ Hi'tollo Order (abstract noun) ─ Valiero Organisation ─ Vi'dro Other ─ Iopit Out ─ Uit Over ─ Uek Paper ─ Hári Parent ─ Lashar Pass ─ Tesh Past ─ Rass People ─ Vi People of the world ─ Xen'vi Period (Time) ─ Elikat Person ─ Vi Pillar ─ Tovan Place ─ Lock Plant ─ Virro Please (Will you) ─ Hiwa'bi Pot ─ Hemma Prepare ─ Fowai Previous ─ Dolar'ir Prince ─ Imbior'rim Princess ─ Imbior'nol Prison ─ Caza Prophecy ─ Sarr'hilo Province / State ─ Humen Pure ─ Hirall Put ─ Yop Queen ─ Bior'nol Quite ─ Iae Radiance ─ Havinn Rage ─ Rajic'oss Rain ─ Moll'hash Realm ─ Vandor Reason ─ Khaya Receive ─ Het'keen Recolliga ─ Havi'biron Red ─ Hi'tara Regiment ─ Goroph Religion ─ Vayarin Rest ─ Viall Reversed ─ Dida'os Right ─ Jirda Ring ─ Iosoll River ─ Zephyr Road ─ Harr Roof ─ Bada'kav Room ─ Visso Rope ─ Swill Round ─ Soll Royal ─ Bior'vi Ruler ─ Bior Rush ─ Niff Safety ─ Live Salt ─ Hithish Sand ─ Daï Say / speak ─ Wehad Scroll ─ Hárivv Sea ─ Doh'hash See ─ Haja Seem ─ Yop Send ─ Xell - "Series" - "Your":
Series ─ Har'dro Settlement ─ Irith Seven ─ Yindi Shadow ─ Shon Sharp ─ Zeal She (the girl) ─ Ah hich'nol She (the woman) ─ Ah nol Shepherd ─ Diol Ship ─ Hash'pall Sign ─ Zam Silent ─ Yoll Silver ─ (Hi')Son'sona Six ─ Soldi Sky ─ Bada'vandor Sleep ─ Hallin Slender ─ Rivv Slums ─ Val'lock'ique Small ─ Im Snow ─ Pio So ─ Err Solvoa ─ Yallo Some ─ Im'id / Im'dro Song ─ Liar South ─ Bro'da Spear ─ Uija Spirit ─ Aaril Spirit ─ Nahish Spray ─ Wier Star ─ Sholl'hinn Steal ─ Hoyaz Still (remaining) ─ Oja Still (unmoving) ─ Ai'lock'ique Stone (Object) ─ Bira Stone (Substance) ─ Biron Straight (Manner) ─ Tari Straight (Sea pass) ─ Hash'tesh Stream ─ Im'zephyr Street ─ Tari'harr Strong ─ Buar Such ─ Ailos Sudden ─ Icar Sun ─ Halla Sword ─ Surro Symbol (letter) ─ Pica Tail ─ Niad Take ─ Het'keen / Hoyaz Tale ─ Hilo Tall ─ Endin Tavern ─ Hukur Than ─ Un Thank ─ Vaya That ─ How'lock'ie The ─ Ah Then ─ Ital There ─ Lock'ie Thing ─ How This ─ How'lock'a Though ─ Yeth Thread ─ Sin Three ─ Hidi Throat ─ Hahlis Through ─ Im'miarr Time ─ Havv To ─ Zi Together ─ Wear'ir Tomorrow ─ Can'uelar Tooth ─ Tarra Torment ─ Sillas Toward ─ Gira Tower ─ Endin'vissod Travel ─ Haffa Tree ─ Via Tree ─ Via Tribe ─ Ist'havai Trust ─ Tiarr Tundra ─ Dilon Two ─ Ordi Under ─ Jhada Unwilling ─ Moro Up ─ Bada Valiant ─ Kirall Valley ─ Miarr Vehicle ─ Pall Very ─ Doh'ir Village ─ Im'irith Vine ─ Via'swill Wall ─ Mordo Wanderer ─ Ekkaia War ─ Car Warrior ─ Casto'in Water ─ Hash Weak ─ Quist Weapon ─ Baki Week ─ Nadi'can Well (Construct) ─ Hash'boll Well (Manner) ─ Yill West ─ Hor'da Wet ─ Hash'ir What ─ Hal'how When ─ Hol'havv Where ─ Hol'lock / Hol'da Which (question word) ─ Hol While ─ Feol Whip ─ Swill'baki White ─ Hi'hinn Who ─ Hol'vi Why ─ Hol'khaya Wife ─ Toh'nol Wilderness ─ Tiaph Will ─ Hiwa Wind ─ Sway Window ─ Mordo'boll Wisdom ─ Mutti With ─ Wear Without ─ Hanna Woman ─ Nol Word ─ Faro World ─ Xen Writing ─ Faro'pic Year ─ Halla'sollos Yes ─ Tïll Yesterday ─ Can'dolar You ─ Bi Young ─ Hich Your ─ Bia
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:49 am | |
| And here are some basic language rules:
Wording (in the Valiero'vi dialect): 1. Make plurals with a "di" at the end of the word. 2. There are four prefixes to change adjectives: "ist" (least), "im" (lesser), "doh" (greater) and "dam" (greatest). 3. There are three prefixes to change verbs or nouns into verbs: "har" (-ing), "hem" (-ed), "het" (-ed to). 4. There are two prefixes to change verbs to nouns: "yiff" (-er) and "yoss" (-ee). 5. Qualifiers are made by adding the suffix "ir" (-ly). 6. Make opposite adjectives with the suffix "ique" (un-, but a suffix).
Grammar: 1. [Verb] [object] [subject] [do/don't] OR [Object] [verb]. (Eg. "Love you, I do" or "Love you".) 2. There are no commas, the words "and" and "or" are always used in a list between each listed item.
Punctuation: 1. Brackets are the only punctuation (example brackets not necessarily how the Xen'vi would write them): () - Sentence {} - Question [] - Exclamation || - Parenthesis •• - Name of person :: - Name of individual animal/plant/etc. -- - Name of place == - Name of time, era or event <> - Name of deity
Also, I've decided that there will be two majour writing systems: simple and complex. The complex system will be the one written on six or seven lines (either a line for the sounds of each voice orifice or the aforementioned with a seventh line in the middle for the emotion that goes with the words (the shape of the line (eg. straight, dotted, zig-zagging, wavy, etc.) determines the emotion)). The complex system is also normally written from top to bottom or bottom to top.
With the simple system, there is only one line where all the sounds are written. This is both easier to write and longer to write because all the sounds are put in a string. The symbols for sounds that are said at the same time are grouped via connective lines. Sometimes an emotion like is drawn above or below the symbols. It is also common for two lines of writing to be written instead of one, where one line would represent the right voices and the other would represent the left. In this case, an emotion line would be drawn between the two symbol lines. The simple system is normally written from right to left or left to right if there is only one symbol line. If there are two symbol lines, it is written vertically.
In any case, simple or complex, vertical or horizontal, diagonal or even flowing, the orientation of the symbols on the lines show the direction it must be read in, simmilar to how Egyptian hieroglyphics worked. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:24 am | |
| Cool stuff.
Perhaps some Xen'vi speaking English should have bad grammar and talk all funny, because they're using the grammar rules of their native tongue (Do they have tongues?). Kinda like me when I fail to speak French because I use English grammar rules. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:26 am | |
| Good point. Xen'vi will speak like Yoda. xD
I realise that there are some really random words in there (like "carpenter"), but that's only because I mainly used Tolkien's Elvish dictionary to get words from (because I'm lazy). At least I took the time to remove words like "apple" and "broadsword", which wouldn't make sence for Xen'vi to have. I only just realised that I forgot to make words for "gun", "explosive" and "machine", though. I think we should make a list of words I should probably still add to the dictionary.
Edit: Said list of randomly jotted down words: (Oh, there's another one.)
Gun Explosive Machine Dart Arrow Dartgun Whip Vine Grass Bed House Room Ceiling Roof Bucket Pot Jar Rope Scroll Library ("book house", maybe?) Pillar School Learn Forbidden Prophecy Gods Divine Green Clouds Bread Fruit Meat Bone Fly (verb) Travel Border Nation Empire War Salt Mud Inn Tavern Market Slums Class (of society) Culture Religion Solvoa Recolliga Cave Storey (of a building) Farm Hut Village Capitol City Province / State Tribe Civilisation Wilderness Words Random (Chaos?) Order Memory ("known past", maybe)
Aaaaand... that's about it.
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:39 am | |
| Mhm, we should. I could perhaps do that. I like making lists.
What kind of words would they have? | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:43 am | |
| List hath been made. Come up with more, if you list (though I really don't want to translate the entire English language. I think at most 500 words). | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:57 am | |
| Nice list.
I looked through it and couldn't find "hello" anywhere. lol. That's all I can think of.
I'm sure you could just come up with more words whenever you need them for whatever reason. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:01 pm | |
| Oh, lol, thanks! ^^ I've actually already established the Xen'vi word for "hello" in one of those example sentances, but forgot to add it to the dictionary, I think. Thanks for reminding me!
Oh, and I forgot to ask, does it sound like one language? Do most of the words have a consistent sound to them?
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:06 pm | |
| No problem, lol.
Hmm... I dunno. I'll have to go through the list and check. EDIT: Seems like a proper language to me.
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:16 pm | |
| Yay, thanks! (You're a mod now! It just doesn't show because of your "special rank". If you weren't "Taco Gazelle", you'd be "Colonial Police". Use your powers wisely. ^^) | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:19 pm | |
| Huzzah for good languageness! Instead of making a huge list of words to translate, you could just translate them as you need them.
Oh, and maybe since you have Library as "book house", maybe schools could be "learning house" or something. I dunno.
(Yay! I'll be sure to use my powers wisely! *blows up the forum* JK.)
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:23 pm | |
| Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah, I was thinking that. ( D= JK.) (Okay, I'll see if I can rank up Colonial Police above the Writer's Guild. ) | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:31 pm | |
| (It would appear to have worked. I feel very special now.) | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:52 am | |
| (Horay.)
Okay, I've updated the dictionary. There are now 500 entries. I'll probably make a thread for it later. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:06 am | |
| A thread for it would be good. It's a bit too important to just have stuck on the third page of a topic, lol. | |
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| Subject: Re: Xen'vi Language? Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:59 am | |
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