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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:53 am | |
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Well, that is largely due to the Jaylen.
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:16 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:30 pm | |
| Jay'Vi I think he means.
I find that government is the main flaw with the system. If you pass a law to whom does it apply? | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:20 am | |
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No. It's the Jaylen I'm refering to.
I've already thought of that. The solution is an identity scroll (or something like that), which contains information such as your full name, close family, date of birth, profession, blah, blah, blah and, of course, your nation. This system is mainly used by the Aari'vi, Jay'vi, Valiero'vi and Iga'vi. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:12 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:38 pm | |
| Who makes the scrolls?
You can't expect commoners to be able to write. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:46 pm | |
| No one said they would be writing it... Just that there might be Identity scrolls. Probably the government does it kind of like a birth certificate. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:28 pm | |
| Who pays for it? Where do you keep the scrolls? What happens if they get destroyed? How do you know who's born and who's died? Why should your neighbor say be able to execute his slave while you can't? (Just as an example) | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:36 pm | |
| I am guessing that stuff should be added to a constitution. That is why laws are created.
Egs. in the order you asked. The government pays for it through taxes. An archive or bureau of residents. You are screwed... Same way they do on Earth. They find your body and they do that ritual. That is called property.
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:09 pm | |
| Probably something like that. You register to get an identity scroll, which makes you a citizen of the nation, allowing you to vote, trade legally, etc., but also puts you under the nation's laws. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:47 pm | |
| How do you register? I meant kill your own slave, not the neighbor's. What if you live in some outpost a couple score of miles from the closest major population center, how do they know you died? You're talking about thousands to millions of people. Who pays taxes? An answer that you're screwed shows a major flaw in the system. Which nations are republics? Who enforces trade laws? What counts as trading that falls under the law?(If a peasant gives another peasant a rock for a stick, are they going to jail?) | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:27 pm | |
| Ok... A few too many questions so I lost interest...
Think about what happens when you lose your Social Security card, you buy a new one right? The Government loses the papers saying you exist, to the government you don't exist. Scenario: A terrorist EMPs the Capitol then a small meteor comes and destroys the archive system. Meanwhile Some hacker destroys all files relating to your existence. You now do no exist. What do you do? You must re register. But because you have no birth certificate you must also apply for citizenship. Probably going to take at least seven years to become a citizen in the country of your birth.
First law of systems. No system is perfect, because it was made by imperfect humans. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:21 pm | |
| Sorry. How does a peace keeper figure out whether to bludgeon a murderer to death or just fine him? Should the charged have to wait months to years before the authorities know what to do? | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:19 pm | |
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- Sorry. How does a peace keeper figure out whether to bludgeon a murderer to death or just fine him? Should the charged have to wait months to years before the authorities know what to do?
Sometimes they do. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:05 pm | |
| Then it's a sucky system. Though that is arguable for almost any sentient system ever devised.
But still, it seems a bit complicated for countries to have to implement, and why would they all use the same system? Some may like that taxing anyone in the borders of their country as a simpler means. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:07 am | |
| Does anyone have any better ideas?
In any case, this was to solve the problem of knowing who is a citezen of which nation. How about they have tatoos or something on their forheads showing the symbol of their nation?
Also, scrolls basically allow you to do things that you narmally won't be allowed to do (eg. buy property (that does not include food, clothes, etc.), take part in the economy, vote, etc.). Not having one does not mean you don't exist.
To register for an indentity scroll, you need to be able to supply proof of an income, mainly. One of the key features of a scroll (we should probably use something other than a scroll) is a coppy of the individual's crest pattern, which is like a finger print. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:25 am | |
| But if you can't but property(land... or otherwise) And you can't get married, Vote, etc, you might as well not exist, everyone would soon forget you anyways. (unless you refused to be ignored)
Tatoos are too permanent. unless they are more or less paint.
How about Scrolls and a single symbol of their nation. Like a seal or crest insignia hanging from either a necklace or wristband. The wristband would be like a vague scroll. With name, age, gender, where they live, who they are married to, and other identifying information.
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:08 am | |
| Which is why it's best to go register. Otherwise you're just another peasant, really.
Yeah, okay. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:30 pm | |
| Paint markings on the face. Sort of what you think of as a stereotypical Native American or other Tribal People's paint. Simple. Doesn't require hard to produce or hard to learn materials and tasks.
Could we say taxes and other things like laws are relatively close for both nationalities in areas of intermingling? So Citizen A has to pay the same taxes as Citizen B, even though they have different nationalities. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:07 pm | |
| Yeah, that'll work.
Now we had beter get back on topic. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:14 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:03 am | |
| So, next majour battle. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:12 am | |
| Battle of Nalim
Belligerents:
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Aari'Vi Military Navy
Mercenary Corsairs
Aari'Vi Castle and Port Garrison/Militia
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Iga'Vi Imperial Northern Navy
Iga'Vi Imperial Northern Army
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Location:
Nalim Bay, Akavir Sea
Forces:
Aari'Vi Military Navy - 230 Galleys, 45 Gallaeases, 60 Fireships, 7500 Marines
Corsair Mercenaries - 40 Galleys, 500 Corsairs
Aari'Vi Colony Militias - 4000 Militia Infantry (Most on ships)
Iga'Vi Imperial Northern Navy - 330 Galleys, 3 Gallaeases, 30 Various Drafted Ships/Boats, 9000 Marines
Iga'Vi Imperial Northern Army - 700 Crack Shock Troops (Arquebusiers/Infantry) -
Battle:
In the lately contested waters of the Akavir sea the Iga'Vi Imperial Northern Navy entered Nalim bay with the intent of engaging and destroying the Aari'Vi navy in the early morning. It went against every rule of sea warfare but so far was working. Having avoided attention 50 Galleys were already getting into positions in the middle of the bay till a soldier accidentally fired his musket. In moments alarms were ringing and Aari'Vi marines were storming onto decks to the sound of galley drums sounding the row beat. The Disorganized Aari'Vi force was met with a prepared, if equally disorganized, Iga'Vi navy of a much larger size. The frontal cannons upon their bow castles fired again and again as neither side wanted to initiate close combat. Suddenly the corsair light galleys slipped down the center of the Iga'Vi force and began to blast the Iga'Vi galleys with swivel guns. They then moved outside of the bay where they attacked the cargo barges.
Meanwhile the Iga'Vi galleys, unwilling to divert themselves from the battle plan ignored them. The Aari'Vi then pushed forward and engaged the Iga'Vi ships. While seemingly foolish the Aari'Vi had plans to beat their much larger foe. First their Gallaeases ripped through the bogged down Iga'Vi. Then the Aari'Vi fire ships crawled along the outskirts of the stalled Iga'Vi ship column. At the funnel neck of the bay opening the marines broke the jars holding the powders that would cause massive combustion within the explosive filled hulls. Then they lowered the side boats and rowed for their lives. With in a minute the fire explosions flew shattered fishingboats everywhere spreading a glaring blue fire onto the Iga'Vi ships. These ships quickly dissolved into panic as flames engulfed the dry ships. Chained rowers had little chances. With half the Iga'Vi ships cut off inside the bay by a plug of burning ships the remaining fireships turned towards the beleaguered Iga'Vi galleys. They exploded their cargoes again and again spraying blue fire over the Iga'Vi ships as the now greatly outnumbered Iga'Vi were completely surrounded by Aari'Vi mariens and cut down often to the last Xen'Vi. What remained were taken as galley slaves.
But all the while 700 Iga'Vi crack troops were moving down the beaches towards the Aari'Vi castle Nairhab which was defended only by 200 Militia and staff. Climbing the cliff overlooking the bay they managed to approach unseen till the final rush for the gates, which they found bolted. Bringing up several ladders they began to scale the walls as the few defenders panicked. Then fate cursed them, for 40 Iga'Vi marines were fleeing their sinking ships and moving towards the hills. Not aware of the situation they believed the castle lights to be just a small village. Expecting a grab and dash raid they instead found a castle under siege. Their captain, having survived the sinking, realized the situation and decided he'd earn glory by sending his marines to help out the attack, assuming correctly that the attackers were Iga'Vi fighting Aari'Vi.
While seemingly smart, if selfish, move the charging Marines were mistaken as a larger force of Aari'Vi reinforcements by the Iga'Vi troops. Even for crack troops the thought of getting hit in the rear, trapped against a wall, was too much and most of the Iga'Vi fled. Confused, the marines also fled. The Aari'Vi defenders were left to ponder the sudden rout.
The remaining Iga'Vi fleet fled the bay with half their numbers and the loss of their crack soldiers. The Aari'Vi lost few ships and men in comparison and were successful in keeping control of the surrounding waters. Unfortunately for them they would in fact lose nearly 80 ships when they were caught in a great storm in pursuit of the Iga'Vi fleet.
Nothing special, just add the epicness with your imagination. The ship to ship melee would be pitiless, bloodthirsty massacre. Ship to ship fighting in that situation usually ends with the massacre of the entire crew. The casualties for the losers were normally horrendous. | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:32 am | |
| Akavir? Really? It's pretty far from the mainlands of both nations, don't you think? | |
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| Subject: Re: Major Battles During Book's Period Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:37 am | |
| Here's a map showing my proposals for the locations of the battles: 1. The Battle of Ylalam - Iga vs. Jay at border --> Iga wins 2. The Battle of Nalim - Iga vs. Aari at sea --> Aari wins (Epic) 3. The Battle of Sarwaer'Ju - Iga vs. Valiero at border --> Iga wins 4. The Taking of Ar'alam - Iga vs. Aari at Aari capitol --> Iga wins 5. The Battle of Blood Canyon - Jay vs. Iga at border --> Jay wins (Epic) 6. The Defence of Valdin - Iga vs. Valiero at capitol take 1 --> Valiero wins (Epic) 7. The Taking of Valdin - Iga vs. Valiero at capitol take 2 --> Iga wins; Valiero king killed directly by Iga emporer. (Epic) 8. The Battle of Red Mountain - Iga vs. Svia, Aari and Human forces in attempt to get to David and Priantos. 9. The Battle of Darwin - Iga vs. Darwin --> Iga wins (Epic) 10. The Retaking of Valdin - Humans/Valiero vs. Iga --> Iga looses 11. The Battle of Eljo'k - Svia/Valiero/Aari/Human Allies vs. Iga at sea --> Allies win 12. The Battle of Bara'dur - Allies (now including Jay, Oijah and Iga rebels) vs. Iga at Bara'dur --> Allies win; Iga emporer killed. (Super Epic) | |
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